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Eva Blymiller:
Hi. This is the Pure Living Family Podcast. I'm Eva. My little brother's Theo, and my mom and dad are Shawn and Angela.
Shawn Blymiller:
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Shawn Blymiller:
Today's episode is really one that I got very excited about. A couple of years ago, I was researching autism online and found Autism Speaks, and found that they had a really interesting history. Just recently, I ran into Katie Wright, who is the daughter of Bob and Suzanne Wright, who created Autism Speaks.
Shawn Blymiller:
Katie Wright had a son, Christian, who was diagnosed with autism, and his grandparents, Bob and Suzanne, started Autism Speaks. It became a very powerful foundation. They had the likes of Jerry Seinfeld and Toni Braxton and many other celebrities that spoke for them and campaigned for them for donations, and working with them, with Washington DC. It became a very well-known foundation.
Shawn Blymiller:
Katie Wright brings in a rich history of dealing with family conflict, especially with everything going on right now. She talks about conflict that she had with her father that she still has a little bit today. There's some New York Times articles about this that we talk about, and you guys are free to search. But I call Katie an OG on the podcast, because she's been fighting against corrupt organizations, institutions, politicians, for a long time. She was on Oprah back in 2007, telling her story. So very excited to share this with you.
Shawn Blymiller:
The audio is not perfect, so just bear through it. Maybe turn it up just a little bit, because her audio is a little quiet, but she provides so much insight and I'm excited to share it with you. Here on my side over here, but... We talked a little bit on the phone, Katie, and I appreciate you meeting with me. My wife, Angela, is joining, and I was just-
Katie Wright:
Hi, Angela.
Shawn Blymiller:
She's saying hello there.
Angela Blymiller:
Hi.
Shawn Blymiller:
She's changing Theo's diaper over there. She'll join us here in just a second. I'm sure you're familiar with that.
Katie Wright:
Oh, yeah. A 10-year-old's diaper, too. It's not pretty.
Shawn Blymiller:
Just to give our audience an intro, and you can jump in here to correct anything that I might misspeak about. I had originally found your information... I was just Googling autism and I found a New York Times article back in 2007 about Autism Speaks.
Katie Wright:
Right.
Shawn Blymiller:
It talked about the founders and how they had started it, and there was some controversy within the family. That was your parents, right? So Bob and Suzanne Wright are your parents, correct?
Katie Wright:
Yeah. Bob and Suzanne Wright. Suzanne is deceased. But yeah. Very hard for me to understand how they could do that. It's still not [inaudible 00:04:07] that we really talk about.
Shawn Blymiller:
Okay. Well, we won't dive too much-
Katie Wright:
No, I mean, I can't talk about it with my dad, [crosstalk 00:04:13]-
Shawn Blymiller:
Oh, I got you.
Katie Wright:
Because you and I know, we'll do anything for our kids. I mean, we'll do anything, so it's [inaudible 00:04:20] to imagine obviously saying anything negative. But-
Child:
[crosstalk 00:04:26].
Katie Wright:
I don't know. [inaudible 00:04:28] Generation.
Child:
[crosstalk 00:04:28].
Shawn Blymiller:
Yeah. Well, that's kind of the topic of conversation I want to get to, but I don't want to get there just yet. Just to highlight the New York Times article. So one, I would say you're an OG. You've been fighting this since 2007. I mean, you were on Oprah. I just want to pull a quote from an interview, a web interview you did soon after that appearance on Oprah Winfrey, where in the article from New York Times... And I'll sure quote this.
Katie Wright:
Sure.
Shawn Blymiller:
Quote, "Evidence of harm. Mercury in vaccines and the autism epidemic. Miss Wright lashed out at the old guard, scientists, and pioneering autism families. "If the old-timers are unable to let go of failed strategies," she said, they should step aside and let a new generation have a chance to do something different with this money that her parents' charity was dispensing." I don't know if you want to add anything to that, but goodness gracious that was good.
Katie Wright:
I'd say I 100% stand by that. The old guard did not step aside. Autism Speaks gave the money to the same old people that [inaudible 00:05:36]. They spent over $50 million and accomplished nothing. So I would stand by that, and it's really hard to [inaudible 00:05:47] bridge stuff. Spending that amount of money and achieving nothing still. Yeah.
Shawn Blymiller:
Yeah. I think you were well ahead of the times, because you were suggesting that they should explore alternative methods. We're part of a autism community where we have families... My wife really started a group. [crosstalk 00:06:14].
Katie Wright:
That's really [inaudible 00:06:15].
Shawn Blymiller:
She started a group on autism, or autism moms, on Instagram, and they share and collaborate. So we're dove into a lot of alternative modalities between FMT, and we're going to do stem cells at the end of the month.
Katie Wright:
[crosstalk 00:06:32].
Shawn Blymiller:
You were already saying this in 2007, right?
Katie Wright:
Well, it was just like [inaudible 00:06:37] life. I found I went to a lot of doctors. None of them were helpful, and we realized after [inaudible 00:06:42] support from other moms, I was very scared to change his diet, to do all that stuff. I'm having other moms come to my house, throw all the crap out, help me do a [inaudible 00:06:52]... So I was so grateful for the community [inaudible 00:06:55] Completely alone. [inaudible 00:06:58] Need other humans.
Katie Wright:
All the real reason I was advocating for the research stuff... I didn't see anyone studying anything [inaudible 00:07:06] with what my son was dealing with. Nobody was studying... The [inaudible 00:07:10] Staff, they were saying, "That's not real," and "You don't understand because you're not a doctor." It was so condescending.
Katie Wright:
So I didn't see any [inaudible 00:07:20] regression except telling me that I misunderstood what regression was, and I had to bring them home videotapes to show them. Still, [inaudible 00:07:28] autism... You know [inaudible 00:07:28]. That was [inaudible 00:07:28]. It was no help at all. [crosstalk 00:07:41]-
Angela Blymiller:
Sorry, Katie. I'm going to stop you for a sec. We've having a really hard time hearing you.
Katie Wright:
Okay, let me go back. Sorry, I might have had my finger too close to that. What I was saying is that I found all my visits to doctors very offensive and waste of time. Any idea I had they would ridicule, and it was other parents who came and helped me learn how to cook again, took all the garbage out of my son's diet, which was very scary for me.
Katie Wright:
Every step of the way, I [inaudible 00:08:16] the research. I'd look at the research and [inaudible 00:08:18] "Why is nobody studying [inaudible 00:08:20]? Why is nobody studying regression?" On top of that, with regression, the doctors would give him this look like, "Oh, it's your dumb mother [inaudible 00:08:28] realize. The signs were there all along."
Angela Blymiller:
Yeah. They say it's normal.
Katie Wright:
Yeah. So much. I had to bring videos to show them... The owner of the hospital, I found, in, like, 2005 and '06, [inaudible 00:08:41]. I didn't understand why we were giving all these people hard-earned money. [inaudible 00:08:48] And do research that didn't help anybody.
Shawn Blymiller:
Well, and I feel like you were well ahead of the research, because in the New York Times article it talks about many of the environmental studies explore what is known as the double hit hypothesis, and we came across this with Zach Bush. Zach Bush talks a lot about this, that the genes for autism may be activated in some children by exposure to mercury or other neurotoxins. So maybe talk a little bit about that and how you came across that.
Katie Wright:
Well, I was not a person into anything alternative. I'm very ordinary, [inaudible 00:09:27] person. [inaudible 00:09:30] All to schedule. But he was extremely far beyond the [inaudible 00:09:34], but I was just told it was no big deal.
Katie Wright:
Not only do I have evidence of harm after he regressed, and I thought that mercury just was not in vaccines in 2000... No. 1999. I thought, "Oh. So this isn't something you need to worry about [inaudible 00:09:51]." Then I called up the doctor's office. I said, "You know, [inaudible 00:09:55]. There were no [inaudible 00:10:00] Christian's vaccines." She said, "[inaudible 00:10:03] One if it's 2001."
Katie Wright:
They were officially banned, she said, in 2002. Then she said to me, "Why should we throw away perfectly good vaccines?" Then I read all his vaccines for the first [inaudible 00:10:17]. Four months was [inaudible 00:10:19] in it. [inaudible 00:10:21]. So much worse than [inaudible 00:10:24]. [inaudible 00:10:27] his regression was so severe.
Shawn Blymiller:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). When did you notice his regression?
Katie Wright:
The week after Hib they have the [inaudible 00:10:40]. People now are getting adverse reactions to the COVID one vaccine adults are receiving. Personally, like almost any, whatever, 18-month-old, getting [inaudible 00:10:51].
Shawn Blymiller:
Yeah.
Katie Wright:
[inaudible 00:10:51]. So he screamed and he cried and he arched his back. He had a 104 fever, and I called the [inaudible 00:11:00] center 10 times, and he she just kind of pooh-poohed it. I wish I'd gone to the ER. I really do. We ran an ice bath for hours and hours. Then he wouldn't eat the next day, and then we feed him like a baby bird, [inaudible 00:11:14] drops of water... It was just awful.
Katie Wright:
But he was my first child, and we didn't really know how awful this was. The doctors were telling me it was no big deal. Then he became sick all the time. He was sick with pneumonia, [inaudible 00:11:29]... Constant ear and eye infections. Then over the course of the next two months, he just stopped talking, and then he stopped recognizing us, and all he wanted to do [inaudible 00:11:42] night, which I think was [inaudible 00:11:44], and then [inaudible 00:11:45]. It was very rapid.
Shawn Blymiller:
I'm so glad you share that, because I think the misconception a lot of people... They get the vaccine and then they have a picture of them flexing afterwards, like, "Oh, I feel great."
Katie Wright:
[crosstalk 00:12:00].
Shawn Blymiller:
But that's not the regression that we experience. That's not the disruption that we experienced either. It was progressive, because... It was the-
Katie Wright:
[crosstalk 00:12:11].
Shawn Blymiller:
... DTaP vaccine that really messed with Theo. At the time... We had videos at 18 months when he's at a indoor soccer game and he says, "Go, Daddy!" He said, "Milk, ball, more, please." He had a lot of language. And after the DTaP, it regressed.
Shawn Blymiller:
It wasn't immediate, like everything was erased. It was over time, it went away, to the point where he'd stop responding to his name. He stopped-
Katie Wright:
[crosstalk 00:12:38].
Shawn Blymiller:
... making eye contact. Yeah.
Katie Wright:
Because you saw things... He used to count to 40. Then I kept thinking, "Maybe I'm not remembering things." Thankfully, I had the videos and I would watch the videos and think, "I'm not crazy. He really did do all that." [inaudible 00:12:53].
Shawn Blymiller:
Interesting. Well, it was fascinating to read about, on the New York Times, a couple things that stood out to me. Because you guys had some heavy hitters. You had Jerry Seinfeld, Paul Simon, Toni Braxton. Some [crosstalk 00:13:08]-
Katie Wright:
That was my mom.
Shawn Blymiller:
Yeah. You guys had some huge celebrities that were speaking on behalf of Autism Speaks, and even going to Washington, representing the foundation. Walk us through that. How did that all come to be?
Katie Wright:
My mom was a very dynamic person who would never took no for an answer. She would do it in the nicest possible way. But because my dad was the president of NBC, he knew Seinfeld, of course, and all these people that [inaudible 00:13:39]... This is another thing.
Katie Wright:
She was just a really effective [inaudible 00:13:44], and then conveying to them why this is so urgently needed, and there's an explosion of autism, but the MIH is [inaudible 00:13:55] nothing. Like, nothing. I had an argument with my dad about how the CDC is doing nothing. He said, "You're wrong. I'm going to go right down there and see what they're up to."
Katie Wright:
He came back and he was like, "Oh my god, Katie, you were right. They're so stupid, and they don't even want to have an awareness campaign [inaudible 00:14:14], because it might worry people."
Shawn Blymiller:
Wow.
Katie Wright:
That's how inept they were. They're just not bright people, and you can't be fired, so... Yeah. So my mom was very effective. Unfortunately, when my mom died, there was nobody who had that ability, and it got passed to professional bureaucrats who took no for an answer, number one. [crosstalk 00:14:38] People, they just couldn't wait to take no for an answer. They had no vision and they had no passion for it.
Katie Wright:
You see it now with this woman [inaudible 00:14:47] who's hiring. She [inaudible 00:14:49] almost no knowledge [inaudible 00:14:50] and accomplished nothing in five years. [inaudible 00:14:54] She's done, but I don't understand either. I don't understand how the [inaudible 00:14:57], why these people are paid so much.
Shawn Blymiller:
Does your dad play a part still with Autism Speaks?
Katie Wright:
No. He retired recently, but we had open discussions. I disagreed with almost everything he did. [inaudible 00:15:15] Enormous amount of genetic research, which I thought was a very naïve idea, that if we could decode the genome [inaudible 00:15:25] autism, we could phenotype autism and create treatment for them.
Katie Wright:
I said, "This is stupid, because autism is not solely genetic." They kept talking about cystic fibrosis being the model. I'm like, "Yeah." Okay, make [inaudible 00:15:40] the model. It's just, it's stupid.
Katie Wright:
Sure enough, okay, so they decode the genomes of 10,000 people, which was hugely expensive, and really nothing special learned except what we knew all along, that you're more likely to have a [inaudible 00:15:53] disorder [inaudible 00:15:53].
Shawn Blymiller:
I think you brought up another subject, because both Angela and myself have had conflict within our families. Because you know what people are thinking, because the way they respond to you, they just go silent. Like, you know that they're thinking you're crazy. Vaccines don't cause injuries. A lot of people are afraid to say it to us. But-
Katie Wright:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Mm-hmm (affirmative). Better that they shut up. It's true. Because yeah, in my family... In fairness, I don't think my parents saw me as some kind of great science expert. We didn't have good reason to see that. I'm sure like every parent, I was up all on night on PubMed. I was researching everything, the latest progression in [inaudible 00:16:45].
Katie Wright:
Just, I had to teach myself. I learned a lot, because obviously your motivation's super-strong. I don't think they understood how hard I had worked to educate myself.
Katie Wright:
Also, I had worked in a non-profit. I was a [inaudible 00:17:00] director of a non-profit for three years, and we got money from United Way and donations. I saw how important it was to account for the dollars and not waste money. They were really strict about low overhead. Autism Speaks are doing everything wrong. Huge overheads, huge salaries. No accountability. So [inaudible 00:17:20] bad. My parents... I don't think there's anyone who had worked in non-profit before.
Shawn Blymiller:
I guess, what is your biggest takeaway? I know you went through hell with your family, and you had mentioned here on this call with your dad, you had a lot of different arguments, disagreements.
Katie Wright:
Constant. You know what-
Shawn Blymiller:
What is your biggest teachings you have for us that are in the middle of it now?
Katie Wright:
I do want to give my dad and my mom credit, because they could have just retired. They didn't need to form Autism Speaks. He worked really hard his whole life, and at 66 years old, I'm sure he didn't want another exhausting full-time job. And they really did take it on.
Katie Wright:
Their biggest accomplishment, and I think this is no small thing, is to reduce the amount of shame. So many parents and grandparents [inaudible 00:18:10] come up to them and be like, "I have a son or a grandson with autism. We don't tell anybody. We don't want people to know." My mom would say, I can't, like... She didn't do anything wrong. Your [inaudible 00:18:19] didn't raise him wrong. How are things going to get better for these families if we all sit in silence? She was great at getting people to come out of the closet, so to speak.
Katie Wright:
The advice I would have would be, in the beginning, if your child's just diagnosed, it's too hard to have a rational... I would just get furious. So I would just tell family members, "It's way too raw." Then down the line, after you research and you learn and they're still making fun of you... What I would say to them is, "You weren't there. You didn't see what I saw. You didn't have to hold him in the ice bath for three hours. You weren't there up all night when he's hitting himself." I don't believe children are created with [inaudible 00:19:08]. [crosstalk 00:19:09]
Katie Wright:
Then I made them watch the regression videos, and they came to appreciate more and more how dramatic his change was. And also, I shared with them how badly parents are treated by the research community, and they were horrified. My husband Andreas and I would go in to see these neurologists and geneticists, and instead of listening to our story about regression, which they didn't want to hear, they wanted to know if there's any way we were second cousins. Do we have mental disabilities?
Shawn Blymiller:
Oh.
Katie Wright:
Are we sure we don't have mental... I mean, very insulting. They understood better why it was frustrating for me when I shared how badly we were treated.
Katie Wright:
Telling them about what happens... I mean, it's really hard to talk about, because you're trying to protect your child, but at the same time, how are people going to understand how hard this is if I don't tell them? Yeah. He smears fecal matter everywhere, any chance he gets. It's that bad.
Katie Wright:
It's hard, though. I know it's hard for parents to look at their kids and be like, "She knows more than the doctor." But I wouldn't say that. I would say I know more about my child than the doctor does. He doesn't spend time in my house, and he writes about a different kind of autism where you never reach milestones. I would say often to my family, "They're just not studying my kid. Everything you read is about something else."
Katie Wright:
Then doctors would often be like, "You're looking for something to blame. [inaudible 00:20:54]." I'm like, "What in the... How does that help me?" I'm not looking for something to blame. I just want him to be fixed. I want him better. I want him healthy. Reducing your concerns to looking for someone to blame is, again, I think... It's dismissive, demeaning. That same negative attitude they have for parents.
Shawn Blymiller:
Yeah, I think that's great insight. I'm sure we have family members that see us that way, that we're just trying to lay blame on... Because Theo was originally diagnosed with autism and then later was diagnosed with PANDAS. Some of my family members were like... They insinuated that we're just looking for reasons.
Shawn Blymiller:
And to an extent, that's true, because we're trying to understand what is happening so that we know [crosstalk 00:21:55]-
Katie Wright:
[crosstalk 00:21:55] Makes no sense.
Shawn Blymiller:
Yeah.
Katie Wright:
It makes no sense. Of course you're going to try to understand. It's like drunk driving in a small way. If your child got run over by a drunk driver, do you just walk away and say, "Well, it was meant to be?" No. You get mad. You want to change the laws. You want to prevent this from happening.
Katie Wright:
Yes. It brings me, and [inaudible 00:22:20] it gives me absolutely no pleasure to realize this could have been prevented. I think I would tell them, "Put yourself in my shoes. Should I just walk away and accept the fact he has catastrophic brain damage, and that's it? I'm fine with it?"
Shawn Blymiller:
That's a good way to put it, because I don't know if you've been attacked. We've definitely been attacked on social media. I'm on Twitter. My wife's on Instagram. People have gone as far to wish us dead and wish we would all die off, and say that we're detrimental to society, and we're posing a risk to society. Why would I continue to put myself in those situations if I wasn't 100% confident that I know what I'm talking about. Right?
Katie Wright:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Mm-hmm (affirmative), of course. I've been accused of wanting children to die, endangering people's lives... I also resent that in another way, because this is the United States, and when someone says something about their own child, I'm not telling anybody what to do. If you don't like what I have to say, I'm sorry, but I have the right to say it.
Katie Wright:
But they get hysterical, out of this world hysterical, when you speak about your experience. To me that's like... Well, is there something mentally wrong about that, that you feel such anger towards us? Yeah.
Katie Wright:
You know, I remember my dad. When he worked at NBC, we got death threats a lot because they showed this movie about Roe v. Wade, and it portrayed her in a sympathetic manner. I'd pick up the phone. I was like, I don't know, 14. They'd be like, "We're going to come and bomb your house." I went to my parents and they're like, "Listen. Those are losers. We're not going to [inaudible 00:24:16]. We're not going to go whining about this. We're just going to get on with our lives."
Katie Wright:
So when I hear Paul Offit go on and on and on about how he's the victim, and there are so many needy parents out there. I just want to be like, "Grow up. Be a man. Put on your big boy pants." He earned, like, what? $15 million with that patent. [inaudible 00:24:38].
Katie Wright:
This need for Paul Offit and whatever. Just the constant [inaudible 00:24:44], talk about how hard it is for him... Oh my god. That's another thing. They have no idea that the real victims are the kids.
Shawn Blymiller:
Yeah. Well, and that's really what drives me forward to continue with alternative modalities. I'm in grad school now for clinical mental health, because-
Katie Wright:
That's great.
Shawn Blymiller:
Thank you, yeah. I did a functional medicine course certification last year, and I learned a ton about the functional medicine model, which is treating the whole person and not just the symptoms. It kind of inspired me of like, look. I need to continue my education for my life, because who knows what Theo, our son, is going to face? So if there's things that I can learn to smoothen the path along the way, I'm definitely going to do that.
Shawn Blymiller:
That's why we're doing this podcast. We're trying to just... Whatever we learn from us striving forward and forgetting what people say about us, and just doing it, the learnings we gain from that, we want to share with the world, and that's why-
Katie Wright:
Don't you feel like it's up to you and your wife? Because you can't rely on some doctor. You have to figure this out. I mean, maybe... You know who used to be his doctor? Jeff Bradstreet. You know how that ended.
Katie Wright:
So it's up to you. Yeah, it's an enormous responsibility. For example, though, my dad had very serious cancer, and my sister had cancer. I don't think they spent one night on the internet. The doctor would come in and be like, "Okay. This is what we're going to do. This is what we're going to do. You're going to have this surgery. You're going to be out, you're going to feel good. You're going to get the [inaudible 00:26:26] solution. It'll be [inaudible 00:26:27]."
Katie Wright:
And these are [inaudible 00:26:29] cure cancers, because they know how to treat them. They care about their patients. They don't dismiss it. But for us, we're on our own.
Shawn Blymiller:
Well, I know we were meant to connect. As soon as I saw you on Twitter, I knew I had to have this conversation with you, because you have such a rich history. One, thank you for paving the way for us parents to be where we are now, because I think if you hadn't fought that fight early on, there wouldn't be as much research and study in alternative modalities that we have now. We're really excited for the stem cells at the end of the month. FMT was really beneficial-
Katie Wright:
[crosstalk 00:27:15].
Shawn Blymiller:
... for us last year, and we're hoping stem cells does the way. But one, I just want to call attention to the work you've done and people need to recognize-
Katie Wright:
[crosstalk 00:27:26].
Shawn Blymiller:
... you and your parents. It sounds like they were warriors for our kids early on.
Katie Wright:
They really were, and people did tell them, "Why are you talking about this embarrassing thing? Why don't you just go play golf and retire?" And they didn't do that. [inaudible 00:27:40] Embarrassing how? Is it embarrassing to have diabetes? No. This isn't something we cause to happen.
Katie Wright:
You're very sweet. Thank you for your kind words. For families, I would say just keep saying, "Well, what does the doctor [inaudible 00:27:56]?" Okay, they've had 20 years and a lot of money. My mom and my dad got the budget for autism research, like, quadrupled, and with all that money, they have achieved nothing. So they had it their way for a long time, and there's really nothing that they've done to help the lives of anybody.
Katie Wright:
You need to look at the results too and say, "It's not just that you feel this way. It's that [inaudible 00:28:22]."
Shawn Blymiller:
Well, I'm in the sales world. That's my daily profession. I'm working while I go to school, and if you don't perform in sales, you get fired, so let's just keep that in mind. Dog-eat-dog world, and maybe it's time we call attention that there needs to be a restructuring, that those in control national, NIH and CDC, those in power... This is our call-out to you. You have not produced anything. It's time for a change.
Katie Wright:
Quickly I'll tell you... I mean, they're so far removed, it's like a cliché of civil service. We called up the woman who was in charge of the autism research portfolio at the NIH, and they asked if they could have a meeting with her. And this was [inaudible 00:29:11] representing [inaudible 00:29:11].
Katie Wright:
She goes, "Absolutely not." We're like, "This is really important, and you're in charge of this." We asked, "Could we speak to one of your aides?" "No. We don't have any time."
Katie Wright:
Okay. So we call up Chuck Schumer's office. He has, what, 12 [inaudible 00:29:25] constituents who's like, [inaudible 00:29:27] a week from Thursday. This is the kind of "I don't have to answer to anyone" attitude that goes on in the CDC and the NIH, and the arrogance. Because they don't. I mean, nobody holds them accountable. The model of "I can never be fired," isn't working.
Shawn Blymiller:
Yeah. Well, let's sing that from the rooftops right now, because I [crosstalk 00:29:47] it's more necessary to hear that than right now in history, so...
Katie Wright:
Yeah. [inaudible 00:29:54].
Shawn Blymiller:
Well, Katie-
Katie Wright:
Thank you so much, firstly. It was so nice to speak with you guys.
Shawn Blymiller:
Yeah. Well, we might reach out again. We loved chatting with you. We learned a ton, and I think you have a lot to teach people. If people wanted to connect with you, how would you recommend they do that?
Katie Wright:
Go on my Twitter and they can leave me a message. I'm usually good at getting back to them [inaudible 00:30:12]. Yeah, any time.
Shawn Blymiller:
Okay. I'll link it in the show notes, your Twitter handle, so our viewers can find you. Let's say connected, let's work together-
Katie Wright:
[crosstalk 00:30:27].
Shawn Blymiller:
... to make some changes at the NIH and CDC, and thanks so much.
Katie Wright:
Please. Thank you. Good luck for Theo.
Shawn Blymiller:
All right, thanks.
Katie Wright:
Thanks. Have a nice evening.
Shawn Blymiller:
You too. Bye.
Katie Wright:
Bye!
Eva Blymiller:
Hi. This is the Pure Living Family Podcast. I'm Eva. My little brother's Theo, and my mom and dad are Shawn and Angela.